Michel Gagné is a brilliant animator. His effects work is top notch and his more experimental stuff (like what he did in Ratatouille) is imaginative and exceptional. I’m not to big into his “Saga of Rex” stuff, but I still think it looks amazing.
Hey Michael just wondering have you seen Neil Boyle's The Last Belle, and if so what did you think of it?
I have, and I think it’s wonderful. Besides the fact that it’s animated traditionally, inked and painted on to cel and shot under an old rostrum camera with absolutely no computer assistance whatsoever (!!!!!), I thought it was a very fun film. Oddly, what really got me excited watching it was not the big broad grand movements but the micro-movements, particularly in the pupils. Not many animators realize how often people dart their eyes, and when they do it in cartoons I just feel like that animator really has acute observation and/or grasp of human behavior to the point where they find it essential to put it in. (Notice how theres some of that in the Chomet Simpsons couch gag, because Neil Boyle animated that too!)
Another thing about it is just the amount of patience Boyle had to do some of the things he did. Watching any scene with the drunken lout moving around with that insanely floral pattern on his dress shirt completely blows me away. And the subway scene (laid out by Roy Naisbitt) is just insane. I still can’t picture how the hell he laid it out and shot the damn thing under the camera. Brilliant stuff!
I love Tex Avery’s cartoons for totally different reasons than I do other cartoons. I love how subversive they are, and how anti-Disney they are. I appreciate a Tex Avery cartoon just as I would appreciate a surreal Dali painting to what is considered to be “fine art”. Although his cartoons are nothing more than 7-minutes of loose, thrown-together gags in a very basic wraparound shell, they’re just as enjoyable, if not more so, than a realistic Disney cartoon. Disney cartoons, as much as I love them, NEVER make me laugh. I’m amused by them and am entertained by them, but they can barely get a chuckle out of me (the one exception being the Humphrey the Bear cartoons). Tex Avery cartoons, on the other hand, ALWAYS find a way to make me laugh. Many times it’s not from the gags, it’s from the odd drawings, the timing and even the sound effects.
Permit me to make a little comparison: Disney built unique worlds for every cartoon or film they made, with strong foundations in storytelling and emphasized through an unbelievable level of draftsmanship. They strongly maintain the reality of these worlds to the utmost degree, and the characters are living their lives as normally as they can without any knowledge that they’re being watched. If you watched how Disney cartoons developed through the 1930’s and 40’s, they struggled to bring animation from the rudimentary novelties they were in the 20’s to be a legitimate art form rivaling those of live-action film. Sentimental, heartfelt and passionate to be something more than a “cartoon”, and universally accepted by any age group. Beautiful, but safe.
Warner Bros. cartoons are like stand-up performances or a vaudeville show. There are stories to tell and the characters are as grounded and alive as Disney’s are, but they’re VERY aware that they’re being watched. They’re like actors on a stage, in on the joke and will occasionally look directly at you (the audience) and acknowledge your presence. And the directors there, many of them influenced and trained under the Disney regime, wanted to break away and make something unique from what Disney was doing. But to some degree, they kept some of that artistry and craftsmanship alive. And while children would be able to follow along with what was going on, there was much more adult-oriented humor and references that were much more sophisticated for kids to understand.
Tex Avery, on the other hand, not only jettisoned what Disney spent over a decade building up, he completely trampled over it. He made sure the audience knew it was all fake and that for 7 minutes, nothing was sacred. The characters, humorous as they are, are glorified automatons that can be splatted, blown up or erased without any threat of sympathy. You cannot sympathize or empathize with the Wolf or Screwy Squirrel or Spike. The laws of physics are completely gone, objects come alive… there are no rules in Tex Avery’s world. They’re very much the modern equivalent of early-30’s Fleischer cartoons. On top of that, Tex would practically hit the audience over the head about everything being make-believe, having the characters run off the film stock, speak to the audience or pull “hairs” out of the film gate (one of my favorite gags). No sentimentality, VERY subversive, adult humor, cheap gags, flat staging and draftsmanship… almost the EXACT polar opposite of Disney in nearly every imaginable way.
One that comes to mind is in the Hamhocks and Armlocks episode of Dexter's Lab, Earl's last victim before Dad is this cowboy and releases one of those classic yelps, and in fact is used as a transition as well.
Thanks for sending me some cool questions today guys, they were fun to answer! But now I have a question for you!
Oddly, one of the few things that creep me out in animation is when the camera smash zooms into a character’s mouth, usually when they’re screaming or singing or to be used as a scene transition. Like this:
Sometimes there’s a vibrating uvula, like this:
And sometimes even the uvula has a face or mouth and screams, like this:
My friends and I have a good laugh whenever we watch some animation stuff and this happens, and I thought it would be funny if I just compiled as many of them as I can find into one compilation video, probably with some stupid but fitting song playing over it, just for kicks and giggles. So far I’ve found only about 13, but I know there’s more of em out there!
If any of you can think of any instances of these in a cartoon/show/movie and can direct me to where I can find it, it’d be greatly appreciated!
have you given jon's run on gamegrumps a shot though? its a lot of him singing and pushing his cohost's buttons, but he basically keeps the show running anyway
Oh, I watched GameGrumps for a while when it started, mostly for Jon. I think he held the show together, because he was both funny and genuinely passionate about the philosophy and art of video games.
I don’t want to open up a whole can of worms, but over time I grew tired of watching the show and stopped watching, even before Jon “left”. I’m happy that he’s doing his own thing now, and I wish him the best!
Hey, if you're interested in some new Youtube content, here're some recommendations! Check out PBS Idea Channel and Extra Credits [great for any creator]. Cinema Sins and Honest Trailers are pretty funny
Whose H-B designs do you prefer, Ed Benedict or Iwao Takamoto?
I like them both for different reasons, Benedict for his graphic simplicity and sense of design, and Takamoto for his appealing and superior draftsmanship (He came from Disney working as Milt Kahl’s assistant!). As far as their Hanna-Barbera work goes, although Benedict set the style that Takamoto used as a springboard and built off of, I like Takamoto’s work a bit more.
I have a dream, a dream that one day my dashboard will be free from those Grumpy gamers! Not that I hate them or anything but I don't watch their videos and am sick of all the fan-worship. QUESTION: Who are your favourite YouTubers?
As far as ‘Youtubers” go, I don’t really follow anybody in particular. I follow a lot of my friends like Andrew Dickman, some of my other buddies who make funny videos or tutorials, and the occasional show like Glove and Boots but honestly the only people I follow on a regular basis are animators who share their pencil tests and their short films online. I’m not to big on what are considered to be “internet personalities” or things like that.
And even though I’m not really a video game person, the only other guy besides Andrew I really follow is Jon Jafari, because not only are his videos funny and entertaining, but also because he’s such a genuinely nice and charismatic guy. I can get behind a guy like him!
It can be, especially if it’s extremely complex dancing (no wonder why so many people rotoscope it!). There’s a lot of things that come into play, like weight and foot placement and things like that. But if you study the action, think about the timing and plan out the poses, it can be a lot more fun than it already is! Dancing animation should be a chance to let go and just fly with it. And if it’s choreographed, then it’s already planned out for you.
I personally think it would be a lot harder to animate somebody who can’t dance and is struggling to keep with a beat then somebody who’s really into it.
From time to time I check out comments on YouTube, and, to my surprise they’re actually VERY positive, and it makes me cry (in a good way) I am so happy that people find enjoyment out of something I intentionally meant to entertain and make others… well y’know… HAPPY =) so it’s very important that…
What were your favorite cartoon studios/producers (I.E. Disney, Warner Bros., etc.) as a kid versus your favorite now?
I actually still warm up to the same things I did when I was 5. I loved Disney (the creative, artistic side, not the giant conglomerate corporation), as well as the classic studios like Warner Bros. I still get a kick out of them.
As I’ve gotten older, I’ve seen a lot more things that I wasn’t able to see as a kid (UPA, foreign movies, etc.), as well as things that I’ve grown to enjoy now that I’ve matured a bit (primetime animation, [some] Bakshi, etc.). Also, there’s a lot more studios now then there were even when I was a kid, and each one brings a different unique approach to what they do. And now with the internet, individual creators and filmmakers are more prominent than before and I love seeing new shorts from all across the world, focusing on so many different facets of life and the world around them.
Honestly, I like a little bit of everything, even from studios that make what is considered to be “crap”. I’ve learned to appreciate everything to some degree. I love what small independent studios like Headless and Cartoon Saloon are doing, because it’s so out of the box and stylistically different. I love the craftsmanship and raw talent of the stop-motion animators at Laika. And yes, even though a lot has changed with the company, I still support what Disney does more than ever, even if they sometimes fall back on their old schtick at times.
Have you seen The Lego Movie yet, and if so, what do you think?
I thought it was really imaginative and fun. Haven’t had that much fun in a theater in a really long time.
I think what I like the most about it is that, after ALL the Lego shows and movies and things that came before this, this is the one to EMBRACE the imagination and fun of playing and making things with Legos. Everything before it was pretty much “Insert popular thing here and have it so happen to be made of Legos”, but here it really plays up that factor of experimentation and exploring what you can do with them. The writers/directors on this movie are so brilliant for not only doing that, but making a fun, packed and hilarious film and wrapping that all together.
Also, there’s a lot of cut-off screaming moments in this movie. And anyone who knows me knows that the one thing that makes me laugh more than anything is cut-off screaming.
Which era of Tom and Jerry did you love the best? The Bill Hanna & Joe Barbera era (1940-1958), the Gene Deitch era (1961-1962), or the Chuck Jones era (1963-1967)?
Nothing really beats the classic Tom and Jerry’s from the 40’s (especially the early ones). The timing, music and the animation is what really makes it so special. Other versions of T&J don’t even come remotely close to that caliber.
I do sort of have a soft spot for the Chuck Jones Tom and Jerry’s, but for different reasons. Sometimes I like it, sometimes I don’t. I have a bit of a love/hate thing about Chuck Jones, so it fluctuates.
The Deitch ones are really freaking weird, but I kinda like them because of how oddball they are.